Phil speaks with Grey Area Drinking Coach Sarah Rusbatch about grief, alcohol, and sobriety.

In Australia, alcohol is woven into every major life event — from births to funerals, it’s expected to be part of the moment.

But what happens when you’re sober and faced with unexpected tragedy?

Sarah Rusbatch, alcohol-free for nearly six years, shares how she navigated the sudden loss of her father without turning to alcohol — despite others assuming she would.

“Even after all this time, people thought grief would break my sobriety,” she says. Instead, Sarah leaned on her tools and inner strength, proving that alcohol isn’t necessary to cope with life’s hardest moments.

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